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Minethere Always
Minethere Always
 Member edited July 2014 in General Themes
Some discussion about Metro someone might wish to add clarification to http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/0 ... july-heat/ in the comments.

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  • Lena Vanilli
    Lena Vanilli
     Administrator edited 12:22AM
    Their stats page shows 3,744 regions, times 65,536 that's 245,366,784 sq km ... and their webpage shows 245 square km

    Huhu Miney,

    well, Maria wrote "245,366,784 sq km", but these are sqare meters! E.g.: 245 sq km!

    At the moment, for the teleporter and the splashscreen we just count different regions, not their sizes. Cause the number of regions is more important for us (and for the users), than their sizes. In this case, we will not change the number of regions. One VarRegion -> One registered Region.

    But we can change the total size in sqare-km. We will do that in the next days. But at the moment, the numbers will not change dramaticly.

    But in the Metro-RegionsManagement the LandOwners can see the real size and dimension of their regions. Also the Isolate-function is supporting VarRegions now.

    Hugs,
    Lena
  • Minethere Always
    Minethere Always
     Member edited 12:22AM
    I think the important part of her comment in this regard was the "So this means that if Metropolis DOES have varregions -- which I'm sure it does, as does OSgrid -- then we're significantly undercounting the land area of the open grids."

    So it appears she is vastly undercounting.

    My own "thing" in this is that these types of "region" counts using the old 256x256 region size will need to be changed in her reporting, somehow, as it is clear using that as a baseline will become increasingly moot.

    My "idea" is that as we highlight the coolness of current OS more will see it for what is is, and perhaps we will all benefit in some regards, in various ways, if just by showing SL types they can do more, for less, and bring their wonderful builds out of there, preferably here...lol

    I don't want their commercialism in no way and am fine with those grids doing such things, but "builds" in SL, that could be lost forever [and are] would benefit those builders and showcase more of them here.

    Of course there is some awesome builders and builds now but I can imagine that some who are not aware of the inherent freedoms associated with current OS would be quite interested, so the more ways to highlight our benefits, the better.

    For one example I read about recently, this http://www.nationofvictoriana.com/about_victoriana.html, as I read on the inwz forums, recently left there. They may be back, I don't know, but if they did leave for good, those kinds of people would really benefit by the freedoms we enjoy, especially OARs and IARs, so that they never have to waste time and energy building again, each time they leave a closed grid.

    Of course, they may be so disillusioned by now that they have quit completely, and this is just one example I know of, as I am sure there are many others.

    regards
  • Lena Vanilli
    Lena Vanilli
     Administrator edited 12:22AM
    I have counted the occupied land of all varregions. At the moment we have 18 varregions; they have the same size like 423 single regions. Reserved coordinates are not included.

    As I wrote before, I will change the square-km at the splashscreen in that way, that the size of the varregions will be included. But I will let the total number of regions like it was before: 1 region per unique region-name.
  • Minethere Always
    Minethere Always
     Member edited 12:22AM
    Ok Lena, but it appears that Maria intends to continue on as she has been doing, and asking grid owners/admins to conform to the way she wishes to report the stats.

    I have suggested numerous times she might consider that things are changing but with no answer from her on that, it appears she is rather more interested in showing the commercial aspects more prominently than and out of proportion to what is actually going on.

    Perhaps I am mistaken but each month she continues reporting the same kind of way and the numbers keep getting more and more inaccurate.

    In any case, commercial stuff is not my own focus now, hypergating is, so I was mainly just bringing it up here for anyone who might want to comment there or to her.

    Either way, it does not matter to most of us anyway, I think, and I already saw enough to know those commercial types skew their numbers in all sorts of ways, so why even bother, and I don't become a part of anyplace because of numbers but the people.

    regards
  • Mareta Dagostino
    Mareta Dagostino
     Member edited 12:22AM
    I like Lena's approach to count the regions: Number of regions without considering how big they are, but counting the square meters correctly. Who is interested in a guess how many space belongs to Varregions, may divide the quare meters by 65536.

    If one configures the server to get a 5x5 Varregion, and builds up some stuff on it, in most cases the content will be more equivalent to one region (only bigger - more streets - more sea - more forest), than representing the diversity of 25 independent regions.
  • Eryn Galen
    Eryn Galen
     Moderator CreativeGroup edited 12:22AM
    +1, I also like that approach. I think its the best of both worlds
  • Minethere Always
    Minethere Always
     Member edited 12:22AM
    I like Lena's approach also, and really, it does not matter to us, truly, anyway...as far as I know we are not competing in all this-))

    The issue is related to this photo from HGB

    OpenSim-regions-July-2014.jpg

    In this you see a large jump in reported places as well as what she finds her own ways, mostly just via what is on some places splash screen and such.

    In May the large upward spike was due to a large, or maybe 2 large varregions, put up and counted by that person in the way Maria wants, by finding out how many standard regions it adds up to. So, in this, alone, if she had counted 1 varregion as one 256x256 region it would have made a large difference, and when that grid goes away, it will again make a large difference...but yet, on the other hand, she wishes others to do that math and report them all in the same way so that she can keep her stats moving along as she wishes.

    Even when it is obvious that in this regard it is ridiculous to report it in such a way. What this does by the way she reports it but also by the wording she uses, incorrectly skews the numbers towards commercial interests, some of which will likely never have varregions.

    I would much rather the focus be on non-commercial aspects regardless of how it is reported, but certainly varregions would be one positive to do such with.

    But yet one of the stated goals is to show people all the land they can play with or use for Artistic, Educational, etc.

    Of course her site say "business" in it, but it also says hypergrid.

    In any case, I don't think I am going to concern myself with such things there anymore, it hardly matters and we are doing just fine...I suppose my worry would be that by skewing numbers our free style will continue to be not so free sooner, especially to all the commercial perms stuff going around which some of the viewer devs are coding in. As the focus continues on such things, and people naturally drift to where the talk is about, this will likely increase proportionally.

    In any case, I expect this all will be around much longer than little ol' me will be anyways....lol

    regards
  • Minethere Always
    Minethere Always
     Member edited 12:22AM
    ok, here is some updated info from Maria and that grid I mentioned [incorrectly] http://www.virtualworldsgrid.com/

    http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2014/0 ... ilometers/

    just fyi to clear that up...hugs
  • Lena Vanilli
    Lena Vanilli
     Administrator edited 12:22AM
    Hi Miney,

    there is nothing to clearify. I think I know, who is the initiator of this grid. Cause they are doing, what they have always done: to keep a mirror up to us! For sure: it's MONTY PYTHON's last action!

    How subtle: To report VarRegions with a total size of over 18.000 regular regions and to let them run on 1 server (including robust, of course). There is another brilliant thing: To get a 404-error if you try to register or login. And I guess, this is the quintessence! The answer of all questions: the opensimulator, the statistics, the varregions, the square-km and everything! The answer is: 404! Well, in the real world it should be 42! But remember: in vortual worlds it MUST be 404! Why? The varregions are included! :lol:

    Well, the american satire magazin "Hypergrid Business" has penetrated this mystery and has brought this grid to the very first position. Cause this is real unreal; or in other words: the real virtual thing! How subtle!

    What a revolutionary evolution: 42 becomes 404. Yes, we have the answer! No matter, what the question is. And I guess, it's more important to know the answer. And Monty Python was brilliant in that. (Spam, Spam, Spam) Imagine: someone would raise to question, whether Obama deserved the nobel peace prize or not. Totaly wrong question; come from the other side: you have to redefine the word "peace". Okay, I could also ask: Why the wobble pudding is always green?!? But I didn't. Cause I hate wobble pudding!

    I feel realy good to see the new measuring of the "worthness" of the opensim-grids. It makes the virtual world so much more unreal virtual and commercial.

    And thanks to Monty Python for the wonderful moments; telling us the truth about the real life. The meaning of virtual life comes clother now! And it's good to know, that Murphy is also virtualy around. Another indication, that Monty Python is envolved: the report of a 18.432 regions grid was like a flap of a butterfly, but it causes the whole virtual world to alter! What a wonderful comparison, what a wonderful allegory!

    Stop, Stop, we are not finished yet .... We are coming now to something completely different ...

    What's about sky lounges? Shouldn't they be included in the total land area size? And also in the region counter? And shouldn't they deserve an own name? I would like to suggest: VarVirtSkyLoungeRegion (version 0.0.1.2.a)!

    Dear loved ones, my suggestion for today: do not touch anything! It could bring you the answer of all questions and maybe (in the worst case) the wisdom: 404! Okay, instead of Spike! At the moment every movement seems to be a new question without answer, and any action is an answer for a never asked question!

    And remember: It's not a larch, it's a VarRegion! :lol:
    Lena

    After closing the envelope: I have a dream that one day it's raining brain ... (Hmmm, this could be the beginning of a famous speech, I guess)
  • Minethere Always
    Minethere Always
     Member edited 12:22AM
    ahhhh-)))

    Wonderful statement!..and, of course, VarVirtSkyLoungeRegion (version 0.0.1.2.a) we must have!! [ps making me think is bad for my health!!]

    You are amazing Lena, this is fun.

    hugsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

    [pss I should copy this to HGB but maybe wait until my meds can be decreased so I can possibly understand this better..having looked up wobble pudding I am much perplexed!!] :lol: :roll: :oops: :o :shock: :mrgreen:
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